Question!!!

[John Gossett]

If PKC backs up and fixes/pays (that is if there is anything to fix, my opinion is NO) a different way than has already been paid, I want paid for my final four I got screwed out of at the Labor Day Classic in 1994. Two handlers intentionally lied to a panel to get me scratched with 11 minutes hunting time remaining with me leading the cast. This is the late round. Due to their lies, I got barred, I went to Roy Tramble and told him the two handlers told me they were going to get me scratched before we entered the club house for a panel to hear a question. He did some investigating and one admitted that was what they had done. I never did get my first place money. And I was at a hunt the next weekend because PKC lifted the barring because I had been done wrong. No money for me though. Just Saying!!!

[Jim Letourneau]

I don't really care who won the cast or who lost what I don't understand is why wasn't he given and appeal? From what people have stated on here the dog walked with a panel member that was walkin to a split tree not with the judge and the rest of the cast, " no different than if you walk to a split tree alone and a dog comes in and walks with you. " the way I understand a panel is only there for a question not to judge..I also thought a panel was to stay with the cast ( judge) in case there is a question so It can be questioned right then and they can make decision and cast can resume without stopping. Seems like there is not a question that the dog quit but if I was on an appeal panel I woulda ruled in coys favor from what I have read on here.. Cause the dog wasn't walkin the judge ..... Nobody has answered why he wasn't granted an appeal ..the judge sounds like a good one that's why there is an appeal process because even good judges make honest mistakes... Jmo

[Chris Sterrett]

I havent had time to read 8 pages of comments so probably beating whats already been said but I have thought this over alot and putting a panel member as a judge does not make any since to me whatsoever. Same guy that scores this dog is also on the panel if it is questioned. Thats nuts! I thought there was a backup judge on these final rounds of prohunts.

[Jesse Lively Jr]

Panel member had one duty that was to go to the tree with the handler wait for judge to arrive to score the tree in my opinion he should have paid no attention to Bill or any other dog besides the one that was treed he was going to should have made every attempt not to interfear with any dog

[Randy Phegley]

What if TDB doesn't get scratched even though the judge had started the 15 on him and it got broke bc he followed the panel member and handler to Homer's tree but when the judge gets to Homer's tree TDB is still standing with the handler and panel member would everyone be on here saying Kevin and money got screwed bc TDB hadn't hunted for almost a hour. I guarantee either way the judge would've handled this situation some one would've started a post just like this saying such and such got screwed. I don't know Coy or Kevin and and I'm not bashing anyone I just see how this shoe fits......... congrats to the final 4

[Jonathan Parsley]

I don't have a dog in this fight and none of my concern what the outcome is.. The rules we have are rules that have worked for years and if inforced properly there are no problems.. I consider Kyle a good friend and he is as straight as they come and always been a good judge when I've had him.. Pro rules assign one non hunting judge to a cast.. no one else has authority to score dogs or scratch dogs other than the judge.. that is plain and in black and white in the rules.. It was questioned and ruled against and was appealed.. Why the appeal was denied is more of a problem here than anything that happened in the woods.. it's alot different when your actually the one in the cast and in the heat of the moment and things can happen that aren't right and that's why we have the question process and the option to appeal a ruling by a panel.. The board needs to look close at this grant the handler his appeal and let the national board of directors rule on the issue.. That's why we have an appeal process and a board to decide on things like this.. However the see fit to rule on this is the way it should stand..

[William Stokes]

Just a couple questions I have and I wasn't there and idc about who won and didn't! You got a judge and three panel members,NOT four judges out there! It may have said somewhere I haven't read it all but why didn't the guide or someone else on the cast that was qualified go to the split tree so all the panel members could stay with the judge where their supposed to be? I may be wrong but to me the cast is wherever the judge is at and the dog wasn't with the cast it was with the panel member! I agree with lively the panel member should've had one responsibility and that was to judge the dog he was going to! What good does it do to send a panel to the woods if their not gonna stay with the judge anyway?? If the panel member had been where he was supposed to be none of this would've happened! JMO

[Michael Rosamond]

Any time I have every had someone sent to a tree with me it was to make sure the dog was treed like I said it was and the 2 doesn’t catch it. Everyone on this board has done it or had it done to them. So my only question is if you are giving permission to a spectator to judge the dog then why can’t this man? I understand the conflict of interest but my question still stands. Why was this guy sent to Homers tree? It was to judge him in the absents of the main judge. If he can do that and report back why can he not let the judge know the dog isn’t hunting? He didn’t scratch the dog the judge did. He just reported to the judge no different than he would have if Homer had been milling around. No one would have a problem with that? If you all think he cant do that then there is never a reason to send someone to a tree with someone because what they say doesn’t matter.

Either way they need to give the man his appeal.

[Trey Perrin]

So if the judge sends somebody with a handler to be sure a dog stays treed then that person now also should be allowed to keep time on other dogs because he was sent to a split tree?

[John Dengg]

maybe I read wrong but I've read where a judge shouldn't be able to score a dog with out the handler present. What if the judge was going in with a handler to handle a dog treed while other members are at a closed tree and a dog that is struck in comes to the judges feet and obviously quits it track but that handler isn't present can the judge not minus that dog because the handler wasn't there.

[Bradley Hall]

Sorry, was going to be light hearted, took it back.

[Mike Fleming]

I don't see a reason to change the rules because the ones we have were not followed.I know in the middle of a hunt when things are happening you don't have time to think a lot but after its over it can be fixed.He should be able to his appeal if not its no reason to go by the blue book.

[Bill Andrews]

I've hunted in a few of these hunts and Evan judged a few and I always thought that if a judge, hunting or non hunting, put the 15 on a dog the time was running until the dog was out of the judges eyes for 5 minutes or the dog struck, then the 15 was taken off the dog. Key word, out of the judges eyes. I have withdraw and went back to my truck only to find a cast dog in my box. Should I have told the judge when the cast was over that the dog had been here with me for 30 min?? I could have but I'd be laughed out of the woods.

Unless things have drastically changed only the judge can minus,plus or circle anything!!!

[Brian Carter]

With all that has been said my question is what about the other 2 handlers and two panel members? It has been said that the judge messed up and a panel member scratched or kept time on the dog. Also that an appeal was denied. If all this wrong doing was going on why did the other hunters or panel members not speak up then.
If it was blatantly wrong you would think someone would have spoken up.

[Jason Miller]

wow!!! Hate I did not see this earlier...